Search
This area does not yet contain any content.
Justinian News

Movement at the station ... Judges messing with the priestly defendants ... Pell-mell ... Elaborate, if eye-glazing, events mark the arrival of the Apple Isle's new CJ ... Slow shuffle at the top of the Federales delayed ... Celebrity fee dispute goes feral ... Dogs allowed in chambers ... Barrister slapped for pro-Hamas Tweets ... India's no rush judgments regime ... Goings on with Theodora ... More >>

Politics Media Law Society


Pale, male and stale ... Trump’s George III revival … Change the channel … No news about George Pell is the preferred news … ACT corruption investigation into the Cossack and Planet Show gets closer to the finishing line … How to empty an old house with a chainsaw ... Read on ... 

Free Newsletter
Justinian Columnists

Rome is burning ... Giorgia Meloni's right-wing populist regime threatens judicial independence ... Moves to strip constitutional independence of La Magistratura ... Judges on the ramparts ... The Osama Almasri affair ... Silvana Olivetti reports ... Read more >> 

Blow the whistle

 

News snips ...


The Charities Commission provides details of the staggering amounts of loot in which the College of Knowledge is wallowing ... Little wonder Bell CJ and others are on the warpath ... More >> 

Justinian's Bloggers

Letter from London ... T.S Eliot gets it wrong ... Harry cleans up in a fresh round with Murdoch's hacking hacks ... All aboard Rebekah Brooks' "clean ship" ... Windy woman restrained from further flatulent abuse ... Trump claims "sovereign immunity" to skip paying legal costs of £300,000 ... Floyd Alexander-Hunt reports from Blighty ... Read more >> 

"Creative Australia is an advocate for freedom of artistic expression and is not an adjudicator on the interpretation of art. However, the Board believes a prolonged and divisive debate about the 2026 selection outcome poses an unacceptable risk to public support for Australia's artistic community and could undermine our goal of bringing Australians together through art and creativity."

Statement from Creative Australia following its decision to cancel Khaled Sabsabi and curator Michael Dagostino as the creative team to represent Australia at the Venice Biennale 2026, February 13, 2025 ... Read more flatulence ... 


Justinian Featurettes

Damien Carrick ... For 23 years Carrick has presented the Law Report on ABC Radio National ... An insight into the man behind the microphone ... Law and media ... Pursuit of the story ... Pressing topics ... Informative guests ... On The Couch ... Read more >> 


Justinian's archive

The Saints Go Marching In ... Cash cow has to claw its way back to the LCA's inner sanctum ... Stephen Estcourt cleans up in Mercury settlement ... Amex rides two horses in expiring guarantee cases ... Simmo bins the paperwork ... Attorneys General should not come from the solicitors' branch ... Goings On from February 9, 2009 ... Read more >>


 

 

« Jurors are smart in Barry World | Main | Clinging to the wreckage »
Friday
Sep142012

Being chased by a dog called Rhetoric

Justice Virginia Bell on rhetorical devices and barristering ... It seems to be a male thing ... Distractions from the truth ... Tulkinghorn asks, where would the bar be without bad rhetoric? 

Homer Simpson: "Do I know what rhetorical means?"

IN an episode of The Simpsons this exchange occurs:

Mother Simpson: [singing] How many roads must a man walk down before you can call him a man?

Homer: Seven.

Lisa: No, dad, it's a rhetorical question. 

Homer: Rhetorical ... ehhhhh ... ????? ... Eight!

Lisa: Dad, do you even know what 'rhetorical' means?

Homer: Do I know what 'rhetorical' means?

The Oxford Reference Dictionary says that rhetoric is: the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing; and secondly language designed to persuade or impress (often with an implication of insincerity or exaggeration etc.) Those definitions and others can be found here

In an article in 1996 US law professor Jack Balkin focused on the second ORD definition and said:

"A familiar view of rhetoric holds that it is concerned primarily with style rather than substance, with persuasion rather than discovery of the better argument, with emotion rather than reason, with dazzling effect rather than rigorous analysis. Hence the dangers of rhetoric are the dangers of misplaced sentiment, fuzzy headed thinking, overbearing of reason by passion, and susceptibility to deceit and chicanery."

Canadian academic Dr Tania S. Smith specialises in the study of rhetoric.

She acknowledges here that there is good and bad rhetoric. She says that ...

" 'bad rhetoric' sounds like something you'd say to a dog named Rhetoric if he soils on your carpet [and] ... when I say 'I study and teach rhetoric' it starts to sound like I just said 'I study and teach verbal poop'."

In 2011 American writer and graphic designer Nancy Duarte examined pronouncements of the late Steve Jobs and found 16 rhetorical devices that he regularly used in a fairly good way. 

Last month High Court Justice Virginia Bell gave a keynote address to Australian Women Lawyers. Justice Bell does not appear to have yet authorised an official transcript of the address.

The principal media headline was, "Judge says Bar is no place for rhetoric".  

Julie McCrossin with Virginia Bell: the way things ought to be

The headline neatly solved a big problem. It seems clear that Justice Bell was not describing things as they are, but as they ought to be.

The headline, however, can apply to either situation, and the address did discuss both propositions.

On the one hand our courts should not be full of barristers indulging in, and being paid for, the behaviours Jack Balkin was referring to.

Yet it is equally obvious that juries in criminal cases in particular are being subjected to barristerial rhetoric by the truckload, every day, in our courts, with the results Balkin described.

So how is this conflict to be fixed?

It seems that the problem is that there are too many male barristers, who, being male, indulge in far too much "bad" rhetoric.

There is an implication that the senior bar allows a situation where bad rhetoric works, and thinks that barristerial merit is enhanced by a proclivity to indulge in it. 

The article has Justice Bell saying:

"The view that rhetoric is the mark of an effective barrister is outdated and unfairly favours men".

As I understand her, bad rhetoric is why ...

"There exists an impression that men are superior to women in the ability to present a case in court."

It seems that bad rhetoric cops the blame for the abysmal statistics on the numbers of women at the senior bar.

Less than eight percent of senior counsel are women. 

The central danger of rhetoric is that it distracts from the search for truth. Perhaps that's why men like it.

After all, men created the "non-truth seeking" adversarial system.

Perhaps men don't care as much for truth as women. Miranda Devine once wrote:  

"What is it about women that makes them such prodigious whistleblowers? ... It can't be that women are more ethical than men."

She then sets out why they are (some sort of rhetorical device at play there?) concluding:

"Whatever the reason, the crucial role of whistleblower seems to be a burden women have long shouldered." 

Where would the bar be without bad rhetoric?

Along with advice, that is one of the  main things that barristers sell. That is what clients buy.

If insincerity and exaggeration will persuade or impress the judge in the client's favour, then that is what the client wants. 

Justice Bell suggests clients need to be re-educated about barristering. She "urged delegates in senior roles in private practice to redress this misconception [the impression that men are superior to women in the ability to present a case in court] in their discussions with clients." 

What is the lawyer to say? We're not going to trick the court into deciding in your favour?

Got to go now. There are piggies flying around the room. Being chased by a dog called Rhetoric. 

Reader Comments

There are no comments for this journal entry. To create a new comment, use the form below.
Editor Permission Required
You must have editing permission for this entry in order to post comments.